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Beyond wrote:
So then, mr. neufer, could you give me a hint as to why the "seal" was included in your post about Orion

rstevenson wrote:That would be Rhodes scholar, not Rodes scolar. The award is named after Cecil John Rhodes.

xuxa wrote:
heres a neat movie someone sent me on the hubble deepspace 3d shots they made.. one is near orion.. its a really neat show and im kinda puzzled as 2 why we havent seen it here yet?
http://www.flixxy.com/hubble-ultra-deep-field-3d.htm

Guest wrote:Correction: Orion's SWORD points essentially south in the northern hemisphere. Also, perhaps this is why the constellation was identified as a hunter in the first place?

Guest wrote:Correction: Orion's SWORD points essentially south in the northern hemisphere. Also, perhaps this is why the constellation was identified as a hunter in the first place?

Chris Peterson wrote:

xuxa wrote:orion and scorpio have long been 2 of my favorite consilations...

You mean Orion and Scorpius. Scorpio isn't a constellation, but an astrological sign.

luigi wrote:Maybe "xuxa" speaks spanish or portuguese. In spanish and portguese "escorpio / scorpio" refers to both the constellation and the zodiacal sign.

Chris Peterson wrote:

xuxa wrote:orion and scorpio have long been 2 of my favorite consilations...

You mean Orion and Scorpius. Scorpio isn't a constellation, but an astrological sign.

Beyond wrote:
So then, mr. neufer, could you give me a hint as to why the "seal" was included in your post about Orion

http://www.calodges.org/scrl/monthly/edinburg.htm wrote:
_A Visit to Edinburgh and Lodge Canongate Kilwinning #2._ by Wor. James T. Watson, Jr.

<<Edinburgh, the second largest city in Scotland, was named in honor of Edwin of Northumbria, an Anglian king who built a fort there in the 600's. On the site of that fort now stands Edinburgh Castle on Castle Rock. The "Royal Mile" leads from this castle to Holyrood Castle, home of Mary, Queen of Scots, from 1561-1567. From this Canongate run St. John's Close and St. John's Street. From both these entries, one gains admittance to the Chapel of St. John, meeting place of Lodge Canongate #2, Royal Arch Chapter #56 and the Preceptory and Priory of St. John Canongate Kilwinning. The Annual Festival is held on St. John the Baptist's Day, June 24th. [Edward de Vere died June 24, 1604.]

While dating its early history to King David's Charter, the Lodge identified itself with the general body of Freemasons in Scotland in 1677 by accepting a warrant from the Lodge at Kilwinning in Ayrshire, which was exercising the functions of a Grand Lodge. The initiative in forming the Grand Lodge of Scotland was taken by this Lodge.

One of its members, William St. Clair of Rosslyn became first Grand Master. The Lodge motto,
"Post Nubile Phoebus" (After the clouds the sun), refers to dawn and ancient sun worship.

The present Lodge building was consecrated in December, 1736, and is the oldest building in the world built for Masonic purposes. On
entering the Lodge room, one is instantly drawn drawn to what appear to be four alcoves contining statues, two on the north wall and two
on the south. When approached, they are found to be cleverly executed mural paintings of:

• Lord Byron and Sir Walter Scott on the north wall and
  Robert Burns and [Englishman ] William Shakespeare on the south.>>

 U P o n t h e L i n e s a n d L i f e o f
 T H e F a m o u s S c e n i c k e P o e t

[M A S T E R] W I L L I A M S H A K E S P E
[A] R E T h o s e h a n d s w h i c h y o u
[S] O c l a p t g o n o w a n d w r i n g Y
[O] u B r i t a i n e s b r a v e f o r d o
[N] e a r e S h a k e s p e a r e s d a y e
[S]

• Upon the Lines and Life of the Famous
  Scenicke Poet, Master W I L L I A M
  S H A K E S P E A R E
  
  Those hands, which you so clapt, go now, and wring
  You Britaines brave; for done are Shakespeares dayes: _____
  His dayes are done, that made the dainty Playes,
  Which made the Globe of heav'n and earth to ring.
  Dry'de is that veine, dry'd is the Thespian Spring,
  Turn'd all to teares, and *PHOEBUS CLOUDS HIS RAYES*

http://www.baconsocietyinc.org/baconiana/baconiana2/carr_review.htm wrote:
_WHO WROTE DON QUlXOTE?_ by FRANCIS CARR

<<The design on the title page of the first edition of 1605 shows a hooded falcon resting on the gloved hand of a man who is hidden from view. Around the arm and the bird is the inscription Post tenebras spero lucem, 'After darkness I hope for light', a phrase from Job which was adopted as the motto of Calvinism, and later of the entire Protestant Reformation—an incongruous wording to have on a work issuing from a supposedly Catholic country.>>

http://www.sirbacon.org/whowrotedqwalkerreview.htm wrote:
<<As further evidence that the real [DQ] author is concealed Carr points to the title page of the first Spanish edition of Don Quixote. The title page shows a hooded falcon resting on the gloved hand of a man who is hidden from view within a cloud. There is a lion in the picture that ostensibly symbolizes England. But who is the hidden falconer? On the border around the inner picture are the words, "Post tenebras spero lucem", i.e., after darkness I hope for light. Signaling yet again that something is hidden here. But how can we solve this dark puzzle? Chapter 68 of the Second Part of Don Quixote gives us a clue. Don Quixote tells Sancho Panza, "Post tenebras spero lucem", and follows the Latin words with a translation, "after darkness I expect light." It seems that the explanation has been added to help the reader, but Sancho still does not understand. The clue comes at this point. Sancho launches into a tribute to sleep, and this tribute is virtually a paraphrase of the speech about sleep in Macbeth (which appeared a few years before the publication of Don Quixote):

• Sleep that knits up the ravelled sleave of care,
  The death of each day's life, sore labour's bath,
  Balm of hurt minds, great nature's second course,
  Chief nourisher in life's feast.

(As an additional connection to the Shakespeare works it can be noted that the
"POST TENEBRAS LUX; after darkness light" legend also appeared on the 1600 quarto edition of A Midsummer Nights Dream, printed by James Roberts).>>

xuxa wrote:orion and scorpio have long been 2 of my favorite consilations...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_%28mythology%29 wrote:

[img3="Nicolas Poussin (1658) "Landscape with blind Orion seeking the sun"
Poussin included a storm-cloud, which both suggests the transient nature
of Orion's blindness, soon to be removed like a cloud exposing the sun."]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... soleil.jpg[/img3]

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<<Orion is mentioned in the oldest surviving works of Greek literature, which probably date back to the 7th or 8th century BC, but which are the products of an oral tradition with origins several centuries earlier. In Homer's Iliad Orion is described as a constellation, and the star Sirius is mentioned as his dog. In the Odyssey, Odysseus sees him hunting in the underworld with a bronze club, a great slayer of animals; he is also mentioned as a constellation, as the lover of the Goddess Dawn, as slain by Artemis, and as the most handsome of the earthborn. In the Works and Days of Hesiod, Orion is also a constellation, one whose rising and setting with the sun is used to reckon the year.

The legend of Orion was first told in full in a lost work by Hesiod, probably the Astronomy; simple references to Hesiod will refer to this, unless otherwise stated. This version is known through the work of a Hellenistic author on the constellations; he gives a fairly long summary of Hesiod's discourse on Orion. According to this version, Orion was the son of the sea-god Poseidon and Euryale, daughter of Minos, King of Crete. Orion could walk on the waves because of his father; he walked to the island of Chios where he got drunk and raped Merope, daughter of Oenopion, the ruler there. In vengeance, Oenopion blinded Orion and drove him away. Orion stumbled to Lemnos where Hephaestus — the lame smith-god — had his forge. Hephaestus told his servant, Cedalion, to guide Orion to the uttermost East where Helios, the Sun, healed him; Orion carried Cedalion around on his shoulders. Orion returned to Chios to punish Oenopion, but the king hid away underground and escaped Orion's wrath. Orion's next journey took him to Crete where he hunted with the goddess Artemis and her mother Leto, and in the course of the hunt, threatened to kill every beast on Earth. Mother Earth objected and sent a giant scorpion to kill Orion. The creature succeeded, and after his death, the goddesses asked Zeus to place Orion among the constellations. Zeus consented and, as a memorial to the hero's death, added the Scorpion to the heavens as well.>>

geckzilla wrote:I always wonder if I had grown up in such circumstances if I would have ended up some kind of outcast or burnt at the stake as a witch or any of that sort of thing. Even when I was very young I never really accepted any kind of religious or mystical explanations for anything. Lacking my own explanation at the time I just kept quiet or said "oh." Anyway, I'm glad I live now and not then. Much less chance of being pelted with rocks or burnt alive these days.

Chris Peterson wrote:I expect that's because you didn't grow up in a pre-technological tribe, with the sky over you every night representing half your world, and with no rational explanations for the natural world- and thus a complex mythology/religion that connected the tangible objects and animals of everyday life to the heavens.