APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

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Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by neufer » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:45 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:
Star*Hopper wrote:
While I marveled at the engineering invested in Spirit & Opportunity, one thing I thought conspicuously absent was a means of cleaning dust off the solar panels, particularly since they fully expected that to be an operational hazard, possibly even eventually fatal to their survival. In my mind, a compressed air tank - maybe even an onboard compressor to replenish it, wouldn't have been that difficult to include. I've often wondered about that lacking.
I thought the same thing about the panels, they need a brush for the panels and a wiper for the lenses
Three ladies from somewhere up North stopped at a small rural Oklahoma store which sold gas.

Being on empty, they got the tank filled, checked the oil and tires and had the windshield cleaned.

Then one of the ladies ask the attendant if he had a restroom.

The man (spying their dirty car) thought that she had asked for a "wisk broom" and replied,
"no ma'm, but if you back it up over here I could blow it out with the air hose."

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by BMAONE23 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:17 pm

I thought the same thing about the panels, they need a brush for the panels and a wiper for the lenses

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by rstevenson » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:37 pm

Star*Hopper wrote:While I marveled at the engineering invested in Spirit & Opportunity, one thing I thought conspicuously absent was a means of cleaning dust off the solar panels, particularly since they fully expected that to be an operational hazard, possibly even eventually fatal to their survival. In my mind, a compressed air tank - maybe even an onboard compressor to replenish it, wouldn't have been that difficult to include. I've often wondered about that lacking.
Me too. I can't imagine why they didn't at least make it possible to tilt the panels to a much more favourable angle. Well, yes, I can imagine - weight and complexity. And the rovers were only expected to have a three month life, so the need for better solar panel angles just wasn't taken seriously I guess.
Star*Hopper wrote:Meanwhile, I've been a bit surprised the next generation rover (officially, "Mars Science Laboratory" or 'MSL') hasn't been mentioned here - at least, anywhere i've seen.
The thread you seek is here.

Rob

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Star*Hopper » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:20 pm

While I marveled at the engineering invested in Spirit & Opportunity, one thing I thought conspicuously absent was a means of cleaning dust off the solar panels, particularly since they fully expected that to be an operational hazard, possibly even eventually fatal to their survival. In my mind, a compressed air tank - maybe even an onboard compressor to replenish it, wouldn't have been that difficult to include. I've often wondered about that lacking.

Meanwhile, I've been a bit surprised the next generation rover (officially, "Mars Science Laboratory" or 'MSL') hasn't been mentioned here - at least, anywhere i've seen. It's now been nicknamed - 'Curiosity' - and upon seeing its image for the first time I was greatly relieved to see it doesn't in the slightest resemble a cat. Image

The 'anti-stuck' strategy is apparently to go bigger - roughly twice the size of Spirit & Opp'ys wheels:

Curiosity will land on its own wheels (a first) - and "has been outfitted with a new cutting-edge mobility system that's enough to make off-road enthusiasts drool with envy. The rover, which will carry ten times the payload mass of Spirit and Opportunity, is about the size of an SUV, and too heavy for an airbag landing.

It has a set of six wheels that are 20 inches in diameter -- larger than a car tire. Each wheel has its own motor, giving the rover independent six-wheel drive, and "cleats" that provide grip and help keep the rover from slipping when climbing over rocks or sand hills. The rover can also do swerving maneuvers and turn in place a full 360 degrees."


Scheduled for launch late November of this year, latest info I have says they still haven't decided on a landing site....a while back I saw something about a contest going on for suggestions, & same latest says they have narrowed it down to 4 candidate sites. For those curious, here's an overview of how it'll be equipped, etc.: Five Things About NASA's Mars Curiosity Rover

Annnnd...didn't realize while composing the above, there's a Wiki page up that tells lots more: Wikipedia: Mars Science Lab

~S*H

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by BMAONE23 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:28 pm

NoelC wrote:Perhaps a future rover needs an arm that can do double duty as a "sand hazard extraction aid".

-Noel
Or perhaps some hydraulic jacks like the Mark V (only a little slower on the uptake)

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by NoelC » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:20 pm

Perhaps a future rover needs an arm that can do double duty as a "sand hazard extraction aid".

-Noel

The largest crater yet visited.

by neufer » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:44 pm

APOD Robot wrote:Image The Last Panorama of the Spirit Rover on Mars

Last week, NASA stopped trying to contact Spirit after numerous attempts. Half a world away, Spirit's sister rover Opportunity continues to roll toward Endeavour Crater, which could become the largest crater yet visited by an earthling-created robot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gusev_%28Mars_crater%29 wrote:
<<Matvey Matveyevich Gusev (Матве́й Матве́евич Гу́сев) (November 28 1826 in Vyatka, Russia–April 22 1866 in Berlin, Germany) was a Russian astronomer who worked at Pulkovo Observatory near St. Petersburg from 1850 to 1852 and then at Vilnius Observatory (which he established at the University of Vilnius) thereafter. In 1860 he founded the first scientific journal dedicated to math and physics in Russia (Вестник математических наук). He was first to prove the non-sphericity of the Moon, concluding in 1860 that it is elongated in the direction of the Earth. He is considered one of the pioneers in using photography in astronomy, having taken pictures of the moon and the sun - including sunspots - while at the Vilnius observatory. He died in Berlin, Germany in 1866. A major crater on Mars is named Gusev crater after him, and it is famed as the landing site of the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit.

Gusev crater is about 166 kilometers in diameter and formed approximately three to four billion years ago. A channel system named Ma'adim Vallis drains into it that probably carried liquid water, or water and ice, at some point in Mars' past. The crater appears to be an old crater lake bed, filled with sediments up to 3000 feet thick. Some exposed outcrops appear to show faint layering, and some researchers also believe that landforms visible in images of the mouth of Ma'adim Vallis where it enters Gusev resemble landforms seen in some terrestrial river deltas. Deltas of this nature can take tens or hundreds of thousands of years to form on Earth, suggesting that the water flows may have lasted for long periods. Orbital images indicate that there may once have been a very large lake near the source of Ma'adim Vallis that could have provided the source of this water. It is not known whether this flow was slow and continuous, punctuated by sporadic large outbursts, or some combination of these patterns.

On January 3, 2004, Gusev was the landing site of the first rover in NASA's two Mars Exploration Rovers, named Spirit. It is hoped that the numerous smaller and more recent craters in this region will have exposed sedimentary material from early eras, although at first the region proved disappointing in its lack of available bedrock for study on the flat lava plains of the crater, Spirit's landing site. She eventually arrived at the Columbia Hills, however, and rocks examined in that region show that the Columbia Hills did have small amounts of briny (salty) water interacting with them in ancient times, though nowhere near as much as Meridiani Planum, the landing area for Spirit's twin, Opportunity.>>

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Star*Hopper » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:50 pm

Beyond wrote:Ya know why Robbie disapproves? Because afterwards, he got Lost in Space.
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:32 am

Ya know why Robbie disapproves? Because afterwards, he got Lost in Space.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Star*Hopper » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:21 am

Beyond wrote: Why are they always named Maxmilian?
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Robbie disapproves.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:28 am

Well, i give up! I don't remember Maximilian having all those arms, but i do remember him standing on a big rock, but not all the flames around him. And i don't recall if he sucked up the human or not. So....unless there's another similar type movie, i guess my memory of it must have gone down the black hole with Maximilian.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by BMAONE23 » Tue May 31, 2011 9:38 pm

Check this out after about 5:30 into it Maximilian shows up near the beginning and after about 6:20
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Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Tue May 31, 2011 8:45 pm

That Big red robot has a familiar shape, but the one i'm thinking of was black and maybe a tad bigger. Why are they always named Maxmilian?
Also, near the end, when the ship was going through the black hole(its a movie, ya know)the Big black robot was seen through a window outside of the ship, watching it pass by.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by BMAONE23 » Tue May 31, 2011 1:27 pm

In this one, the big red robot is named Maximilian
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Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Star*Hopper » Tue May 31, 2011 1:24 pm

Axed & answered....but no. The BH had 2 Max's, actually....star Maximilian Schell & of course, the big bad bot everybody was afraid of and was red, not black. (And which always made me wonder why the Mad Dr. needed so many bodyguard/security forces in a ship both lost, and perched on the edge of an event horizon. I mean, who's gonna come lookin' to cause him trouble??)

But the main detractor in that film (to me) was the obviously (spelled 'overly') Disneyish good-guybots. In some circles, 'Black Hole' is eternally bound to the buzz-phrase, "Does it still suck?"

But worst of all.....it had no Bruce Dern! Borgnine, yes....but that's a different trek. *snort snicker ahem*
~S*H

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Tue May 31, 2011 4:30 am

BMAONE23, NOPE, that's not the one. Too many people and robots and No BIG black one. Come to think of it, i don't think it's the one with Bruce Dern in it either.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by BMAONE23 » Mon May 30, 2011 10:40 pm

Beyond wrote:Hey Star*Hopper, is that movie "Silent Running" the one with the Big black robot named "Maxamilian"(or something similar) and they went through a black hole?
That movie was "The Black Hole" and was made by Disney
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 pm

Hey Star*Hopper, is that movie "Silent Running" the one with the Big black robot named "Maxamilian"(or something similar) and they went through a black hole?

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Beyond » Mon May 30, 2011 9:31 pm

biddie67 wrote:(( laughing )) sorry, folks - must have accidentally slipped a gear and took a wrong turn out there somewhere - I did mean Mars ....
And here i thought that you meant that the first people that went to the moon should be the ones to go to mars and unstick the Rover. Well, i guess they are too old to do that sort of thing anymore.

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by rstevenson » Mon May 30, 2011 8:12 pm

Yes, radiation shielding, temperature regulation and pressure regulation will all be required in my suit when I go there. Not to mention a certain degree of ruggedness as well as comfort. After all, it's going to be a long walk to the nearest donut shop.

Rob

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by NoelC » Mon May 30, 2011 7:32 pm

Something occurred to me yesterday, and I thought I'd bring it up next time a Mars surface image was posted... Lo and behold that's today.

Given that Mars has about 1% as much atmosphere as we do, and virtually no magnetic field, does the solar wind impact the surface? In other words, here on safe ol' Earth we've got this protective blanket, but it sure seems to be lacking on Mars, even though in images we see the sky as other than black.

I haven't noticed a lot of particle streaks in images from the rovers, but I assume they're reasonably well-shielded.

Sci Fi often depicts people walking around on Mars in various levels of space suits, but I imagine it would be more like walking on the moon, requiring similar radiation shielding as well as protection from hard vacuum.

-Noel

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by biddie67 » Mon May 30, 2011 6:57 pm

(( laughing )) sorry, folks - must have accidentally slipped a gear and took a wrong turn out there somewhere - I did mean Mars ....

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Star*Hopper » Mon May 30, 2011 4:36 pm

Jim Franklin wrote:It's a crying shame, but when you consider how long the rovers were designed to last and how long they have actually lasted, the mission is one of the most resounding successes in human engineering history.
RIP Spirit.

This!

But, the Moon?!? -1
"Missed it, by that much!" ~M. Smart *LOL*

I was greatly saddened by the news late last year that when conditions improved NASA would make one last-ditch effort to contact our intrepid rover Spirit, before finally pulling the plug. I've been a huge fan since the project was first announced, following along when it first approached for landing, and the longer it outlived its expectations, the more I admired the li'l thing and all that went into it. What a fantastic feat of human engineering!

I somehow associated Spirit with the robo-character 'Dewey' from one of my all-time favorite movies, the relatively unknown early 70's envo sci-fi "Silent Running", entasked with caring for the last Earth forest as it drifted forever thru space.
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En requiem aeternam Spirit - for service far above and beyond the call of duty. You served us well.

Click to play embedded YouTube video.

~S*H

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Chris Peterson » Mon May 30, 2011 4:22 pm

I find our inclination to anthropomorphize a pile of metal and electronics very interesting. (That's not a criticism, and certainly I have those feelings as well. But it is interesting.)

Re: APOD: The Last Panorama of Spirit on Mars (2011 May 30)

by Dustin » Mon May 30, 2011 3:24 pm

Is this a test email to see who notices the word "Moon" instead of "Mars" ?
?
biddie67 wrote:I would love to see the first group of people back on the Moon (( or maybe a rescue robot )) pull Spirit out onto solid land, dust her off, oil her wheels and get her started again off across the Moon ....

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