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by **mpharo** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:09 am

Lightning Over Athens (2010 Jul 20)

Lightning and Greece. Reminds me of Zeus from Ancient Greek mythology.
That must have been a very interesting (and very scary) show for that guy on the ground and the camera operator as well. Lucky for them, they didn't get struck by lightning as well in all that chaos, since pretty much everything can produce positive streamers.

Michael Pharo

by **geckzilla** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:54 pm

I wonder how I missed the dupe? Now you have me wondering how it happened. It definitely had something to do with the power outage... that the APOD involved features some spectacular lightning is ironic. Now that I look, the power outage and this APOD are a few days apart. Since I never saw the dupe, I'm just going to assume you're all crazy... there couldn't possibly have been something wrong with the bot.

by **Beyond** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:41 am

Someone should check on Otto. If any of the robot's "brain-fart-gas" escapes............there's no telling what the Apod's are going to start looking like

by **bystander** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:10 pm

beyond wrote:How come this Apod was posted twice today?? Lack of communication???

Chris Peterson wrote:I think the robot was schizo, or had some sort of brain fart. ...

Maybe a freak lightening storm hit Houghton. (I think that's where Otto Posterman lives.)

dup removed

by **Chris Peterson** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:54 pm

beyond wrote:How come this Apod was posted twice today?? Lack of communication???

I think the robot was schizo, or had some sort of brain fart. Somebody should just remove this duplicate...

by **Beyond** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:23 pm

How come this Apod was posted twice today?? Lack of communication???

by **ChrisKotsiopoulos** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:14 pm

Hi.
Thank you all for your comments. I'm glad you like it!
I think that I was relativelly safe because I stood there for about 5 seconds when the storm was far. Then i went under a big bridge (the one at the right) and enjoyed the light show.
Also many thanks to Drs Nemiroff and Bonnell for publishing my photo.

Chris.

by **Chris Peterson** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:23 pm

neufer wrote:Do *NOT* lie flat on the ground!!!
Crouch down and put feet together!
Place hands over ears to minimize hearing damage from thunder.

Also, if you are with other people, separate. The most common thing that happens when you are hit by lightning is that your respiration is shut down. Lightning victims generally die of asphyxiation. If somebody is present to give artificial respiration, most lightning victims survive. But if you're all together in a group, a strike may knock everybody out at once.

by **neufer** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:06 pm

zbvhs wrote:
The guy is relatively safe given the light standards and railings above him or if the core of the storm is more than five miles away. (Although lightning bolts have been known to reach out as many as ten miles from the storm.) If ever caught out in the open and your hair starts standing in end and your skin starts tingling, lie flat on the ground to avoid forming a point source.

Do *NOT* lie flat on the ground!!!

Lightning that hits the ground has been known to kill cows while leaving farmers
standing nearby completely unharmed due to a strong HORIZONTAL electrical potential.

Crouch down and put feet together!
Place hands over ears to minimize hearing damage from thunder.

by **zbvhs** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:50 pm

The guy is relatively safe given the light standards and railings above him or if the core of the storm is more than five miles away. (Although lightning bolts have been known to reach out as many as ten miles from the storm.) If ever caught out in the open and your hair starts standing in end and your skin starts tingling, lie flat on the ground to avoid forming a point source.

by **neufer** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:07 pm

orin stepanek wrote:
I don't like to be out when the lightning is so intense!

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm wrote:
Remember, a tent offers NO protection from lighting.

Q: You are cooking dinner on the camp stove when you hear distant rumbles of thunder.
Your tent and a large open sided picnic shelter are nearby.
Your vehicle is about ¼ of a mile away parked at the trail head. What should you do?

A: Go to your vehicle! The tent and picnic shelter are NOT a safe places.
Wait 30 minutes until after the last rumble of thunder before going back to the campsite.

Dead cows lined up along a metallic fence. Lightning struck the fence,
and the electrical current traveled along the fence killing the cows.
Photo Courtesy Ruth Lyon-Bateman

by **orin stepanek** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:35 pm

I don't like to be out when the lightning is so intense!

I'll wait until the storm is over.

It does make a nice photo though!

by **bystander** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:59 pm

RedTussock wrote:But it is an impressive photo, I wonder is it a time lapse, and if so how did the gentlemen playing with Gods patience stand still for so long ...

yosi yaari wrote:http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2010/07/super ... thens.html

by **RedTussock** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:44 pm

Gosh do you humans not know what lightning is ... it is a tear in the temporal barrier between this dimension and a neighboring dimension. It is caused by an anomaly in the temporal void, caused by mis-use of the 7th sense, which humans have yet to discover, aural awareness. But it is an impressive photo, I wonder is it a time lapse, and if so how did the gentlemen playing with Gods patience stand still for so long ...

by **neufer** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:32 pm

owlice wrote:From the link a few posts above:
The photo above shows just a snippet of an amazing electrical storm that lashed Athens, Greece on June 28, 2010. It’s actually a sequence of 42 stacked shots, caught in Olympic Stadium, during a sEVERE early afternoon thunderstorm.

Click to play embedded YouTube video.

by **moonstruck** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:15 pm

After watching peterbradford's video it looks like the "cool dude" might have been vaporized. After his body disappears you can still faintly see his ghost still standing there for a little while.

by **zbvhs** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:59 pm

If they get cumulus cloud buildups that produce lightning, why do they not also have tornados? I have never heard of a tornado occuring anywhere but the central plains of North America. The Mediterranean would be a great place for waterspouts. Do they just not make the news?

by **Chris Peterson** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:51 pm

gar37bic wrote:I see individual droplets of water falling off the bridge, so this can't be a normal time exposure. If it were, the droplets would be streaks if they were visible at all.

Note that the image is just a stack of "normal time exposures". The exposure time of each subframe was 3.2 seconds. It is normal in shots like this to see the raindrop motion frozen. That's because the drops are only captured while the lightning is illuminating them. The exposure time isn't the relevant factor, but the lightning duration. You'd get the same thing if you opened the shutter, triggered a flash, and then closed the shutter.

by **peterbradford** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:37 pm

If you waych the animation of the photo compilation (http://www.greeksky.gr/files/photos/ani ... sVideo.htm) you'll see that the "cool dude" hauled @ss out of there after the first one or two strikes!

by **gar37bic** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:41 pm

I see individual droplets of water falling off the bridge, so this can't be a normal time exposure. If it were, the droplets would be streaks if they were visible at all. So I suppose it could be either a rapid series of multiple exposures (and the multiple droplets are the same drops in different points of their fall) either on the same film frame or combined afterwards additively, or a short exposure with fast film. Looking at the droplets there is a very slight elongation, so working out the gravitational acceleration and the degree of elongation, you might be able to get an idea of the shutter speed. But the process of falling also distorts the droplets, so it's not simple.

... and now I see the explanation just above me, that confirms my first supposition! I don't know whether to be happy that I was right, or embarrassed that I didn't read it!

by **owlice** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:13 pm

From the link a few posts above:

The photo above shows just a snippet of an amazing electrical storm that lashed Athens, Greece on June 28, 2010. It’s actually a sequence of 42 stacked shots, caught in Olympic Stadium, during a severe early afternoon thunderstorm. It took me about 30 minutes to capture 51 lightning shots; nine shots were ruined because of excess brightness. These awesome cloud-to-ground bolts were striking the surface approximately five hundred feet in front of the camera.

by **orin stepanek** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:04 pm

inertnet wrote:Was this image altered? Because I don't see a shadow from the man, pointing away from the main lightning bolt. It could be that the street light overpowers it, but I think there should at least be some shadow.

Look again; there is a shadow behind the man. A little over toward the right. I wonder if he is under the arch. What are the dark spots in the photo? Maybe some dirt specks on the lens?

by **stargazerjim** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:03 pm

Looks like this is a classic time exposure with the individual standing dead still for several minutes, all other moving objects, stars, people, critters, etc. not shown because of high f/number and their movement... that would also eliminate shadow of the individual standing... Alone in a whole bunch of invisible action, leaving us to focus on the lightning instead!

by **vger** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:52 am

I wish the caption had mentioned some recent speculation that suggests that for lightning to form, it requires an initial ionization event of the atmosphere and that this ionization is often caused by a cosmic ray. This would mean that the location of the lightning is determined by extraterrestrial events. Here is a link to a nice little article that discusses it.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -lightning

by **inertnet** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:20 am

Was this image altered? Because I don't see a shadow from the man, pointing away from the main lightning bolt. It could be that the street light overpowers it, but I think there should at least be some shadow.

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