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Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Chris Peterson » Fri May 18, 2012 11:02 pm

ta152h0 wrote:absolutely, but where did the stones come from that the natives dragged up the hill and place them in a location where they can watch the horizon and protect the population. I just find that fascinating. The UFO guys on the history channell thing they were hoisted by things with big fire under them.
The stones came from quarries on the island. There is no mystery about that. When they were carved, Easter Island was covered with trees, and several simple sledding methods have been demonstrated to explain how they were moved. The exact details aren't known, but there's nothing to suggest any exotic method was required.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by geckzilla » Fri May 18, 2012 9:18 pm

I'm not sure you should trust anything from UFO guys or even the History channel at all, anymore... Especially not UFO guys.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by ta152h0 » Fri May 18, 2012 7:18 pm

absolutely, but where did the stones come from that the natives dragged up the hill and place them in a location where they can watch the horizon and protect the population. I just find that fascinating. The UFO guys on the history channell thing they were hoisted by things with big fire under them.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by geckzilla » Fri May 18, 2012 12:45 pm

The statues are already above water level...

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by ta152h0 » Thu May 17, 2012 5:54 pm

Here is what I think happened. Long ago the ocean waters were lower and the stones were above water level. The natives decided to carve them out ( there was no beer to entertain them with ).

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Beyond » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:23 am

If you don't have that rock on your head -- then you have Polyphemus -- but we've already been there and done that, so i guess it stops at the clops :!:

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by neufer » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 am

beyond wrote:Well......Not exactly. The eclipse was round, these statue eyes are more football shaped.
If you had THAT rock on YOUR head -- your eyes would look like that too :!: :!:
But if you don't have a rock on your head...

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Rongorongo in reverse boustrophedon

by neufer » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:39 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo wrote:
<<Rongorongo is a system of glyphs discovered in the 19th century on Easter Island that appears to be writing or proto-writing. It cannot be read despite numerous attempts at decipherment; not even these glyphs can actually be read. If rongorongo does prove to be writing, it could be one of as few as three or four independent inventions of writing in human history.

Two dozen wooden objects bearing rongorongo inscriptions, some heavily weathered, burned, or otherwise damaged, were collected in the late 19th century and are now scattered in museums and private collections. None remain on Easter Island. The objects are mostly tablets shaped from irregular pieces of wood, sometimes driftwood, but include a chieftain's staff, a bird-man statuette, and two reimiro ornaments. There are also a few petroglyphs which may include short rongorongo inscriptions. Oral history suggests that only a small elite was ever literate and that the tablets were sacred.
Rongorongo glyphs were written in reverse boustrophedon, left to right and bottom to top. That is, the reader begins at the bottom left-hand corner of a tablet, reads a line from left to right, then rotates the tablet 180 degrees to continue on the next line. When reading one line, the lines above and below it would appear upside down, as can be seen in the image at left. However, the writing continues onto the second side of a tablet at the point where it finishes off the first, so if the first side has an odd number of lines the second will start at the upper left-hand corner, and the direction of writing shifts to top to bottom.

The glyphs are stylized human, animal, vegetable and geometric shapes, and often form compounds. Nearly all those with heads are oriented head up and are either seen face on or in profile to the right, in the direction of writing. It is not known what significance turning a glyph head down or to the left may have had. Heads often have characteristic projections on the sides which may be eyes but which often resemble ears. Birds are common; many resemble the frigatebird which was associated with the supreme god Makemake. Other glyphs look like fish or arthropods.
Tablet Q (Small Saint Petersburg) is the sole item that has been carbon dated but the results only constrain the date to sometime after 1680. Texts A, P, and V can be dated to the 18th or 19th century by virtue of being inscribed on European oars. Orliac (2005) calculated that the wood for tablet C (Mamari) was cut from the trunk of a tree some 15 meters tall, and Easter Island has long been deforested of trees that size. Analysis of charcoal indicates that the forest disappeared in the first half of the 17th century. Roggeveen, who discovered Easter Island in 1722, described the island as "destitute of large trees."

Several scholars have suggested that rongorongo may have been a recent invention, inspired by the 1770 Spanish visit to the island and the signing of a treaty of annexation under González de Haedo. As circumstantial evidence, they note that no explorer reported the script prior to Eugène Eyraud in 1864, and that the marks with which the chiefs signed the Spanish treaty do not resemble rongorongo. Some tablets appear to have been cut with a steel blade, often rather crudely. Although steel knives were available after the arrival of the Spanish, this does cast suspicion on the authenticity of these tablets.

The hypothesis of these researchers is not that rongorongo was itself a copy of the Latin alphabet, or of any other form of writing, but that the concept of writing had been conveyed in a process anthropologists term trans-cultural diffusion, which then inspired the islanders to invent their own system of writing. If this is the case, then rongorongo emerged, flourished, fell into oblivion, and was all but forgotten within a span of less than a hundred years. However, known cases of the diffusion of writing, such as Sequoyah's invention of the Cherokee syllabary after seeing the power of English-language newspapers, involved greater contact than the signing of a single treaty.

Easter Island has the richest assortment of petroglyphs in Polynesia. Nearly every suitable surface has been carved, including the stone walls of some houses and a few of the famous mo‘ai statues and their fallen topknots. Around one thousand sites with over four thousand glyphs have been catalogued, some in bas-relief, and some painted red & white. Designs include a concentration of chimeric bird-man figures at Orongo; faces of the creation deity Makemake; marine animals like turtles, tuna, swordfish, sharks, whales, dolphins, crabs, and octopus; roosters; canoes, and over five hundred komari.

Eugène Eyraud, a lay friar of the Congrégation de Picpus, landed on Easter Island on January 2, 1864. He wrote an account of his stay in which he reports his discovery of the tablets: "In every hut one finds wooden tablets or sticks covered in several sorts of hieroglyphic characters: They are depictions of animals unknown on the island, which the natives draw with sharp stones. Each figure has its own name; but the scant attention they pay to these tablets leads me to think that these characters, remnants of some primitive writing, are now for them a habitual practice which they keep without seeking its meaning." – Eyraud 1886:71

In 1868 the Bishop of Tahiti received a gift from the recent Catholic converts of Easter Island. It was a long cord of human hair, a fishing line perhaps, wound around a small wooden board covered in hieroglyphic writing. Stunned at the discovery, he wrote to Father Hippolyte Roussel on Easter Island to collect all the tablets and to find natives capable of translating them. But Roussel could only recover a few, and the islanders could not agree on how to read them. Yet Eyraud had seen hundreds of tablets only two years earlier. What happened to the missing tablets is a matter of conjecture. Eyraud had noted how little interest their owners had in them. Stéphen Chauvet reports that, "As European-introduced diseases and raids by Peruvian slavers, including a final devastating raid in 1862 and a subsequent smallpox epidemic, had reduced the Rapa Nui population to under two hundred by the 1870s, it is possible that literacy had been wiped out by the time Eyraud discovered the tablets in 1866.">>

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Beyond » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:25 am

Well......Not exactly. The eclipse was round, these statue eyes are more football shaped. If you had THAT rock on YOUR head -- your eyes would look like that too :!: :!:

Re: APOD Easter Island Eclipse

by neufer » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:21 pm

marcusapod wrote:
Has anyone noticed the sun in this picture looks exactly like a missing eye from one of these statues? Eerie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai#Eyes wrote:
<<In 1979, Sergio Rapu Haoa and a team of archaeologists discovered that the hemispherical or deep elliptical eye sockets were designed to hold coral eyes with either black obsidian or red scoria pupils. The discovery was made by collecting and reassembling broken fragments of white coral that were found at the various sites. Subsequently, previously uncategorized finds in the Easter Island museum were re-examined and recategorized as eye fragments. It is thought that the moai with carved eye sockets were probably allocated to the ahu and ceremonial sites, suggesting that a selective Rapa Nui hierarchy was attributed to the moai design until its demise with the advent of the Birdman religion, Tangata Manu.>>

APOD Easter Island Eclipse

by marcusapod » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:47 pm

Has anyone noticed the sun in this picture looks exactly like a missing eye from one of these statues? Eerie

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by GETDAM » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:37 pm

Nice photo. I was surprised noone made mention to how well the three other heavenly bodies stood out. And what
is that dark line half way right of the eclipse?

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by RJN » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:28 pm

This APOD is one of the few that has been discussed on MetaFilter. I always find it interesting to follow their APOD discussions. Here is the link: http://www.metafilter.com/93762/Easter- ... ipse-Photo .

- RJN

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by dcstark@hotmail.com » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:03 pm

Great choice of a spot to take the picture!! Well done! :D

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by biddie67 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:26 am

I love this picture - it really tugs at my heart, mind and soul!

Mr. Stéphane Guisard, kudos to you for capturing it. AND for being at the right place in the right century!!!

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by neufer » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:27 am

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by orin stepanek » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:03 am

July 22 2009; http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap090724.html A similar eclipse of the picture taken in China! 8-)

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by neufer » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:03 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
moonstruck wrote:The Moai don't look too excited. They've seen this many, many times before.
Actually, not. I didn't look at the record of actual eclipses, but statistically this is probably the second or third total solar eclipse over Easter Island since the statues were carved. Having seen total solar eclipses, I can tell you that the second or third one you see is no less exciting than the first.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38166769/ns/technology_and_science-space/ wrote:
<<The last time a total solar eclipse was visible from Easter Island was more than 13 centuries ago, on Sep. 24, 656 A.D., and the next time islanders get to see one will be 314 years from now, on Feb. 25, 2324.>>
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London is comparable in size to Easter Island and it has only experienced one total eclipse in its lifetime.

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Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Beyond » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:11 pm

Just goes to show that some people's "normal" is other people's "strange".

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:19 pm

Khrodebherat4391 wrote:This is absolutely the only eclipse picture I've ever seen that appears to be as a pupil in an eye and a tiny pupil at that.
I've seen many eclipse images that show the Sun just this way. It is also a good approximation of how the eclipse appears in person. There is nothing odd here.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by neufer » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:00 pm

Khrodebherat4391 wrote:This is absolutely the only eclipse picture I've ever seen that appears to be as a pupil in an eye and a tiny pupil at that. All other photos I've seen show the solar corona as just appearing around the edges of the moon. Clearly, this is not the case here and this anomaly should certainly have been addressed in the text explaining the photo. Since the immediate surroundings in the photo are quite dark (as is proper in a solar eclipse) it seems that an eclipse is indeed happening, but the size of the "corona" makes it appear that things should be much brighter. Can anyone explain this please?
The corona is overly large because the eclipse has been overexposed in order to see the Moai.

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Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Khrodebherat4391 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:53 pm

This is absolutely the only eclipse picture I've ever seen that appears to be as a pupil in an eye and a tiny pupil at that. All other photos I've seen show the solar corona as just appearing around the edges of the moon. Clearly, this is not the case here and this anomaly should certainly have been addressed in the text explaining the photo. Since the immediate surroundings in the photo are quite dark (as is proper in a solar eclipse) it seems that an eclipse is indeed happening, but the size of the "corona" makes it appear that things should be much brighter. Can anyone explain this please?
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neufer wrote:
beyond wrote:It looks like southern Eclipse's are a bit different than northern one's. This southern one looks more like the Sun has aquired a pupil and is looking down upon the darkened statues. Maybe its just a southern illusion thingy :?:
The only difference between a southern Eclipse and a northern Eclipse
is the angle between the sun's rotational axis and the horizon.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:58 pm

moonstruck wrote:The Moai don't look too excited. They've seen this many, many times before.
Actually, not. I didn't look at the record of actual eclipses, but statistically this is probably the second or third total solar eclipse over Easter Island since the statues were carved. Having seen total solar eclipses, I can tell you that the second or third one you see is no less exciting than the first.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by bystander » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm

moonstruck wrote:Owlice that's wierd. In you're first link where the you can see the faces of the Moai there are six statues. In the other view where they are facing the sunrise there are only five. Wonder why the photogapher would have left one out? :?
There are many Moai on Easter Island in various groupings, probably just a different group.
and there are six in today's apod, the last one has lost his head
beyond wrote:Yes....but it sure looks different, at least to me. I've never seen a total Eclipse with so much light around such a small dark spot. Just look at owlice's links to some Solar Eclipse's. They are all showing BIG dark spots in the middle of not too much light. Of course the one's that she has linked to were taken with telephoto lense's and apparently the Easter Island one was not. Thats why i said i said it must be a southern illusion thingy.
All of the pictures are the same Solar Eclipse, the difference is just in the way the image was taken.

Re: APOD: Easter Island Eclipse (2010 Jul 14)

by moonstruck » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:49 pm

Owlice that's wierd. In you're first link where the you can see the faces of the Moai there are six statues. In the other view where they are facing the sunrise there are only five. Wonder why the photogapher would have left one out? :?

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