Chris Peterson wrote:beyond wrote:The Universe, to me, will expand untill it stops and then it will just stay there in an expanded state, just like everything else that is animated(living?)does.
Perhaps that is how you see it, but you should distinguish this philosophical viewpoint from the scientific one, which rather strongly suggests the Universe will continue to expand forever- an idea that is not at odds in any way with any fundamental scientific concepts, or even with many naturally observed phenomena at our scale.
Actually it is not at odds with what i said either, at least the way i see it. It could be that as far as human-kind is concerned, the Universe will never reach it's fully expanded state.
It would seem that the bigger part of science is observation. I observe that all animated Beings start off smaller than their full growth and expand into it and then stop expanding(unless you eat a lot of the material that is around the hole of the donut). That would seem to me to be a scientific observation.
I also have discovered through scientists and other ways, that the material of the Earth that we come from has come from the Universe that is expanding. There-fore the logical conclusion that i have reached is that we(Humans)are a very small version of a bigger happening - The Universe.
By extrapolation of the smaller part(US)to the bigger part(Universe)the bigger part should also have a full growth size at which point it also stops growing.
However, having said that, we the smaller just do not have any idea of what the full growth size of the bigger is and may not be able to comprehend it even if we did know. So for all "PRACTICAL" purposes(not actual purposes)the universe will never stop expanding.
However, having said that, there is a motion law that says - "a body in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted upon by a Greater force." IF some day the Universe should encounter a Greater force than itself -- we may find ourselves in just a little bit of trouble.
I would say that i have followed mostly scientific principles in reaching my conclusion. After this post, perhaps my prior post will not appear to be to be so Philosophical, whatever that is.
Here is another observation that i have about the real reason for expansion. When the tempreture of water drops to a certain degree, there is a molecular change and the water expands. Extrapolating the smaller to the bigger - The Universe has been cooling off for quite a while now. I see that just as water, the universe may have reached a trigger point of some kind and has speeded up to try and attain it's full size before complete entropy sets in.
Chris -- you said that the scientific viewpoint strongly suggests the Universe will continue to expand forever - an idea that is not at odds in any way with any fundamental scientific concepts.
Unless of course complete entropy sets in and we all find out if the laws of thermodynamics are right and the Universe comes to a stop, or the Universe keeps going and we find out that someting else is driving the expansion.
So far i have presented three examples of expansion that work differently. I would now like to present a 4th example of expansion - Eating. No, not the eating around the donut hole kind, the Black Hole kind. From what i have managed to pick up about black holes, the bigger ones are bigger because they eat more and they eat more because there is more around them to eat.
I see the Universe as needing more energy to keep itself going as it gets bigger from expanding. Not much seems to be known about energy except that it can't be created or destroyed by anything that man is aware of. I see that it is entirely possible that at the spot where the big bang happened, the Universe is drawing energy through from somewhere else (like someone sucking through a straw)to keep itself energized as it grows. If the Universe is indeed like us and vice-versa, then things wear out and have to be replaced. Whereas we consume formed energy, the Universe would only need to consume raw energy, to feed to all it's processes and they would convert the raw energy into whatever was needed, just as we do with formed energy.
I have presented these 4 examples because i see that 4 is a base number for many things in this Universe. They are all different examples of the same thing - expansion.
I see these four examples as each containing a clue to something important. Perhaps one day someone will be able to find the clues and put them together and.........well, i don't know. That hasn't happened as yet. But it just may have something to do with the Theory of Everything.
Thats how i see it, now.
[quote="Chris Peterson"][quote="beyond"]The Universe, to me, will expand untill it stops and then it will just stay there in an expanded state, just like everything else that is animated(living?)does.[/quote]
Perhaps that is how you see it, but you should distinguish this philosophical viewpoint from the scientific one, which rather strongly suggests the Universe will continue to expand forever- an idea that is not at odds in any way with any fundamental scientific concepts, or even with many naturally observed phenomena at our scale.[/quote]
Actually it is not at odds with what i said either, at least the way i see it. It could be that as far as human-kind is concerned, the Universe will never reach it's fully expanded state.
It would seem that the bigger part of science is observation. I observe that all animated Beings start off smaller than their full growth and expand into it and then stop expanding(unless you eat a lot of the material that is around the hole of the donut). That would seem to me to be a scientific observation.
I also have discovered through scientists and other ways, that the material of the Earth that we come from has come from the Universe that is expanding. There-fore the logical conclusion that i have reached is that we(Humans)are a very small version of a bigger happening - The Universe.
By extrapolation of the smaller part(US)to the bigger part(Universe)the bigger part should also have a full growth size at which point it also stops growing.
However, having said that, we the smaller just do not have any idea of what the full growth size of the bigger is and may not be able to comprehend it even if we did know. So for all "PRACTICAL" purposes(not actual purposes)the universe will never stop expanding.
However, having said that, there is a motion law that says - "a body in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted upon by a Greater force." IF some day the Universe should encounter a Greater force than itself -- we may find ourselves in just a little bit of trouble.
I would say that i have followed mostly scientific principles in reaching my conclusion. After this post, perhaps my prior post will not appear to be to be so Philosophical, whatever that is.
Here is another observation that i have about the real reason for expansion. When the tempreture of water drops to a certain degree, there is a molecular change and the water expands. Extrapolating the smaller to the bigger - The Universe has been cooling off for quite a while now. I see that just as water, the universe may have reached a trigger point of some kind and has speeded up to try and attain it's full size before complete entropy sets in.
Chris -- you said that the scientific viewpoint strongly suggests the Universe will continue to expand forever - an idea that is not at odds in any way with any fundamental scientific concepts.
Unless of course complete entropy sets in and we all find out if the laws of thermodynamics are right and the Universe comes to a stop, or the Universe keeps going and we find out that someting else is driving the expansion.
So far i have presented three examples of expansion that work differently. I would now like to present a 4th example of expansion - Eating. No, not the eating around the donut hole kind, the Black Hole kind. From what i have managed to pick up about black holes, the bigger ones are bigger because they eat more and they eat more because there is more around them to eat.
I see the Universe as needing more energy to keep itself going as it gets bigger from expanding. Not much seems to be known about energy except that it can't be created or destroyed by anything that man is aware of. I see that it is entirely possible that at the spot where the big bang happened, the Universe is drawing energy through from somewhere else (like someone sucking through a straw)to keep itself energized as it grows. If the Universe is indeed like us and vice-versa, then things wear out and have to be replaced. Whereas we consume formed energy, the Universe would only need to consume raw energy, to feed to all it's processes and they would convert the raw energy into whatever was needed, just as we do with formed energy.
I have presented these 4 examples because i see that 4 is a base number for many things in this Universe. They are all different examples of the same thing - expansion.
I see these four examples as each containing a clue to something important. Perhaps one day someone will be able to find the clues and put them together and.........well, i don't know. That hasn't happened as yet. But it just may have something to do with the Theory of Everything.
Thats how i see it, now.