by PassionateBomba » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:08 am
I think Mark has every right to his questions, even in commenting in a way that addicts would find viral. Discussion is the black hole of civilizations.
Science gave us abortion, and said it was good, after all we are either all atheists or fools. Now we see the most fervent opposition to abortion comes from those that have experienced it. Sometimes the soul, truth rears its ugly head at the wrong time.
Even today, we are learning that the leading scientists on global warming are suddenly coming into doubt. The word fraud is even beginning to surface in some reports. WOW! And scientists in Australia were saying the Earth was cooling all along. They didn't get media attention though, and I would "guess" there wasn't much money to be made in cooling. But maybe if we get the temp down another degree or two, Al Gore won't sweat so much, and that will benefit us all.
Maybe this was off topic, but was intended for background.
Why would anyone speak callously about Mark thinking black holes suck everything up. That's how they were represented to the public, and trust me on this one, most people are not reading the latest and greatest on scientific change of hearts. When science makes its public pitch, it never fails to claim absolute authoritative truth. Maybe that's the last Mark heard of it, I know it was the last I heard of it. Now this thing with so much gravity, even photons can't escape its pull, can only suck things up that happen to jump in to it. Hmmm. One thing about scientific truth is, if you live long enough, it will change with the next need to get a name in a scientific journal.
NASA gets a lot of money. Public perception and interest is absolutely critical. After all, its the public's money they get.
Now Enceladus is erupting ice. Ice? This conjures up visions of under ice oceans and of course, the trusty old purse puller, Life on another planet! We need billions. We need them now! Remember everybody, the Earth was once covered in ice too. Enceladus might be in birthing pains, ice blows all over the place! A whale might pop out at anytime. We must be there, give us billions!
Mark, keep asking the questions buddy. You will get many answers that go deeper and deeper until you don't know what is being said. If you don't think so, you best brush up on your quantum physics. Reading other threads you see that's where it winds up if it needs to. I asked a question here once about why NASA feels the need to publicize these "doctored" photos. Just show us what we see, at least along side the the doctored one. You won't see many of these photos in your telescope. In the end, I thought I was at a lecture of the Einstein Guild.
Don't get me wrong, I love space (APOD), always have. Always had a telescope too, but never much good at using it. Showed my friends some craters and moons and Orion's "star". Wasn't as pretty as those shown in APOD. Mine wouldn't have generated billions either.
Einstein once interpreted that gravity could bend light and was later "proven" by Eddington that could see stars behind the Sun in an eclipse. The Mayans used this principle thousands of years ago to travel all the way to 2012, by starring into desert thermals. Most of us can do this now by standing between two mirrors holding a candle. Don't try that at home until someone has learnt you how to get back! Hint: you're going to need a pyramid.
Don't worry so much about the bulge in the galaxy center. A city from a distance appears to bulge into the night sky as well, but it doesn't. Just a process of living in a 3D universe.
And don't confuse knowledge with thinking. There is no such thing as absolute knowledge. In that case, the Earth would still be flat. A picture and/or an illegible mathematical equation will not gain us any knowledge on what's occurring in our own galaxy, let alone a distant one. That would be, theoretical. At 10 million light years away, the Silver Dollar Galaxy may not even exist now. The whole universe may have blown up (or jumped into a black hole), but it will take many millenniums for the light to reach us, or stop reaching us. BTW, a galaxy doesn't light up like its having its picture took at the corner studio. But, If you look at it long enough you can almost hear it roar. Sounds sort of like an approaching freight train doesn't it? Everything seems to sound like that. Must have something to do with chicken.
Some of the guys here know more than 1000 guys like me will ever know about these things. What they know is, the principles behind the theories. Its how the theories are often presented as knowledge that is the problem.
The question is, WHY?
As they say in politics, follow the money, prestige, or power.
Again, I love space and its all consuming darkness, I love honesty and its all revealing light, more! The photos are lovely.
Keep asking questions, the all seeing eyes must render their replies. Sometimes, they are even right!
May Peace and Love bless you ALL, and light your universe beyond all understanding. Its worth more than all the universes combined.
PB
I think Mark has every right to his questions, even in commenting in a way that addicts would find viral. Discussion is the black hole of civilizations.
Science gave us abortion, and said it was good, after all we are either all atheists or fools. Now we see the most fervent opposition to abortion comes from those that have experienced it. Sometimes the soul, truth rears its ugly head at the wrong time.
Even today, we are learning that the leading scientists on global warming are suddenly coming into doubt. The word fraud is even beginning to surface in some reports. WOW! And scientists in Australia were saying the Earth was cooling all along. They didn't get media attention though, and I would "guess" there wasn't much money to be made in cooling. But maybe if we get the temp down another degree or two, Al Gore won't sweat so much, and that will benefit us all.
Maybe this was off topic, but was intended for background.
Why would anyone speak callously about Mark thinking black holes suck everything up. That's how they were represented to the public, and trust me on this one, most people are not reading the latest and greatest on scientific change of hearts. When science makes its public pitch, it never fails to claim absolute authoritative truth. Maybe that's the last Mark heard of it, I know it was the last I heard of it. Now this thing with so much gravity, even photons can't escape its pull, can only suck things up that happen to jump in to it. Hmmm. One thing about scientific truth is, if you live long enough, it will change with the next need to get a name in a scientific journal.
NASA gets a lot of money. Public perception and interest is absolutely critical. After all, its the public's money they get.
Now Enceladus is erupting ice. Ice? This conjures up visions of under ice oceans and of course, the trusty old purse puller, Life on another planet! We need billions. We need them now! Remember everybody, the Earth was once covered in ice too. Enceladus might be in birthing pains, ice blows all over the place! A whale might pop out at anytime. We must be there, give us billions!
Mark, keep asking the questions buddy. You will get many answers that go deeper and deeper until you don't know what is being said. If you don't think so, you best brush up on your quantum physics. Reading other threads you see that's where it winds up if it needs to. I asked a question here once about why NASA feels the need to publicize these "doctored" photos. Just show us what we see, at least along side the the doctored one. You won't see many of these photos in your telescope. In the end, I thought I was at a lecture of the Einstein Guild.
Don't get me wrong, I love space (APOD), always have. Always had a telescope too, but never much good at using it. Showed my friends some craters and moons and Orion's "star". Wasn't as pretty as those shown in APOD. Mine wouldn't have generated billions either.
Einstein once interpreted that gravity could bend light and was later "proven" by Eddington that could see stars behind the Sun in an eclipse. The Mayans used this principle thousands of years ago to travel all the way to 2012, by starring into desert thermals. Most of us can do this now by standing between two mirrors holding a candle. Don't try that at home until someone has learnt you how to get back! Hint: you're going to need a pyramid.
Don't worry so much about the bulge in the galaxy center. A city from a distance appears to bulge into the night sky as well, but it doesn't. Just a process of living in a 3D universe.
And don't confuse knowledge with thinking. There is no such thing as absolute knowledge. In that case, the Earth would still be flat. A picture and/or an illegible mathematical equation will not gain us any knowledge on what's occurring in our own galaxy, let alone a distant one. That would be, theoretical. At 10 million light years away, the Silver Dollar Galaxy may not even exist now. The whole universe may have blown up (or jumped into a black hole), but it will take many millenniums for the light to reach us, or stop reaching us. BTW, a galaxy doesn't light up like its having its picture took at the corner studio. But, If you look at it long enough you can almost hear it roar. Sounds sort of like an approaching freight train doesn't it? Everything seems to sound like that. Must have something to do with chicken.
Some of the guys here know more than 1000 guys like me will ever know about these things. What they know is, the principles behind the theories. Its how the theories are often presented as knowledge that is the problem.
The question is, WHY?
As they say in politics, follow the money, prestige, or power.
Again, I love space and its all consuming darkness, I love honesty and its all revealing light, more! The photos are lovely.
Keep asking questions, the all seeing eyes must render their replies. Sometimes, they are even right!
May Peace and Love bless you ALL, and light your universe beyond all understanding. Its worth more than all the universes combined.
PB