by neufer » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:47 pm
TimeTravel123456789 wrote:I have discussed elsewhere that some identifications may be wrong. This may just be a decrease in brightness of a related star. Think logically, could a star's brightness decrease in a regular way? Yes.
I do not have the measurements in front of me, but I still maintain that there is a possibility that this is just stellar variability. When we find that an exoplanet is stellar variation, that will help us understand this.Think of looking at the Sun; we see stellar variation all the time.
We are driven to discoveries by the system of rewards-grants, articles, prizes, but sometimes a discovery can be made by admitting to a less popular alternative thesis that a star's brightness decreased. I think that alternative thesis is the topic of just as important an article is Astro Phys Letters or AstroPh Journal. Stars do vary in brightness. Be careful when coming to the US, guardians are taking everything and rights to decide from people with diagnoses or differences. Just something to plan for when coming here
A short (20 hour) period regularly pulsating star
similar to our Sun
with a totally non-sinusoidal or sawtooth variation!
That is
more exciting than a super earth IMO.
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http://www.daviddarling.info/encycloped ... _star.html
<<A short-period, yellow or white giant pulsating variable; RR Lyrae stars belong to Population II and are often found in globular clusters (hence one of their older names – cluster variables) or elsewhere in the galactic halo. They have periods of 0.2 to 2 days, amplitudes of 0.3 to 2 magnitudes, and spectral types of A2 to F6. Some of them have similar light curves to those of Cepheid variables and, like Cepheids, obey a period-luminosity relation that enables them to serve as reliable distance indicators. RR Lyrae variables, however, are older, less massive, and fainter (
with luminosities typical around 45 L{sun}) than Cepheids.>>
RR Lyrae stars and the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RR_Lyrae_variable wrote:
<<RR Lyrae variables are periodic variable stars, commonly found in globular clusters, and often used as standard candles to measure galactic distances. RR Lyraes are pulsating horizontal branch stars of spectral class A (and rarely F), with a mass of around half the Sun's. They are thought to have previously shed mass and consequently, they were once stars with similar or slightly less mass than the Sun, around 0.8 solar masses.
RR Lyrae stars pulse in a manner similar to Cepheid variables, so the mechanism for the pulsation is thought to be similar, but the nature and histories of these stars is thought to be rather different. In contrast to Cepheids, RR Lyraes are old, relatively low mass, metal-poor "Population II" stars. They are much more common than Cepheids, but also much less luminous. (The average absolute magnitude of an RR Lyrae is 0.75, only 40 or 50 times brighter than our Sun.) Their period is shorter, typically less than one day, sometimes ranging down to seven hours.
The relationship between pulsation period and absolute magnitude of RR Lyraes makes them good standard candles for relatively near objects, especially within the Milky Way. They are extensively used in globular cluster studies, and also used to study chemical properties of older stars.>>
RR Lyrae stars were formerly called "cluster variables" because of their strong (but not exclusive) association with globular clusters; conversely, about 90% of all variables known in globular clusters are RR Lyraes. RR Lyrae stars are found at all galactic latitudes, as opposed to classical Cepheid variables, which are strongly associated with the galactic plane.
Several times as many RR Lyraes are known as all Cepheids combined; in the 1980s, about 1900 were known in globular clusters. Some estimates have about 85000 in the Milky Way.
From 1915 to the 1930s, the RR Lyraes became more accepted as a distinct class of star from classical Cepheids, on account of their shorter periods, different location within the galaxy, and finally, they are chemically different from classical Cepheids, being mostly metal-poor, Population II stars.
RR Lyraes have proven difficult to observe in external galaxies, because of their intrinsic faintness. (In fact, Walter Baade's failure to find them in the Andromeda galaxy led him to suspect that the galaxy was much farther away than predicted, and to re-consider the calibration of Cepheid variables and to propose stellar populations.) They were finally found in the 1980s by Pritchet & van den Bergh in the halo of the Andromeda galaxy, and more recently in its globular clusters by the Hubble Space Telescope.
The RR Lyrae stars are conventionally divided into three main types[1], following a classification of S.I. Bailey based on the shape of the stars' brighness curve:
* RRab — the majority, with steep rise in brightness (about 91%)
* RRc — having shorter periods, more sinusoidal variation (about 9%).
* RRd — rare double-mode pulsators.
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[quote="TimeTravel123456789"]I have discussed elsewhere that some identifications may be wrong. This may just be a decrease in brightness of a related star. Think logically, could a star's brightness decrease in a regular way? Yes.
I do not have the measurements in front of me, but I still maintain that there is a possibility that this is just stellar variability. When we find that an exoplanet is stellar variation, that will help us understand this.Think of looking at the Sun; we see stellar variation all the time.
We are driven to discoveries by the system of rewards-grants, articles, prizes, but sometimes a discovery can be made by admitting to a less popular alternative thesis that a star's brightness decreased. I think that alternative thesis is the topic of just as important an article is Astro Phys Letters or AstroPh Journal. Stars do vary in brightness. Be careful when coming to the US, guardians are taking everything and rights to decide from people with diagnoses or differences. Just something to plan for when coming here[/quote]
A short (20 hour) period regularly pulsating star [b]similar to our Sun[/b]
with a totally non-sinusoidal or sawtooth variation!
That is [b]more[/b] exciting than a super earth IMO. :!:
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[quote]http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/R/RR_Lyrae_star.html
<<A short-period, yellow or white giant pulsating variable; RR Lyrae stars belong to Population II and are often found in globular clusters (hence one of their older names – cluster variables) or elsewhere in the galactic halo. They have periods of 0.2 to 2 days, amplitudes of 0.3 to 2 magnitudes, and spectral types of A2 to F6. Some of them have similar light curves to those of Cepheid variables and, like Cepheids, obey a period-luminosity relation that enables them to serve as reliable distance indicators. RR Lyrae variables, however, are older, less massive, and fainter ([color=#FF0000][b]with luminosities typical around 45 L{sun}[/b][/color]) than Cepheids.>>[/quote]
[img]http://www.daviddarling.info/images/RR_Lyrae_stars.jpg[/img]
[b]RR Lyrae stars and the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram[/b]
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[quote=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RR_Lyrae_variable"]
<<RR Lyrae variables are periodic variable stars, commonly found in globular clusters, and often used as standard candles to measure galactic distances. RR Lyraes are pulsating horizontal branch stars of spectral class A (and rarely F), with a mass of around half the Sun's. They are thought to have previously shed mass and consequently, they were once stars with similar or slightly less mass than the Sun, around 0.8 solar masses.
RR Lyrae stars pulse in a manner similar to Cepheid variables, so the mechanism for the pulsation is thought to be similar, but the nature and histories of these stars is thought to be rather different. In contrast to Cepheids, RR Lyraes are old, relatively low mass, metal-poor "Population II" stars. They are much more common than Cepheids, but also much less luminous. (The average absolute magnitude of an RR Lyrae is 0.75, only 40 or 50 times brighter than our Sun.) Their period is shorter, typically less than one day, sometimes ranging down to seven hours.
The relationship between pulsation period and absolute magnitude of RR Lyraes makes them good standard candles for relatively near objects, especially within the Milky Way. They are extensively used in globular cluster studies, and also used to study chemical properties of older stars.>>
[img]http://www.caresa.com.au/astrophysicsdp_files/image028.gif[/img]
RR Lyrae stars were formerly called "cluster variables" because of their strong (but not exclusive) association with globular clusters; conversely, about 90% of all variables known in globular clusters are RR Lyraes. RR Lyrae stars are found at all galactic latitudes, as opposed to classical Cepheid variables, which are strongly associated with the galactic plane.
Several times as many RR Lyraes are known as all Cepheids combined; in the 1980s, about 1900 were known in globular clusters. Some estimates have about 85000 in the Milky Way.
From 1915 to the 1930s, the RR Lyraes became more accepted as a distinct class of star from classical Cepheids, on account of their shorter periods, different location within the galaxy, and finally, they are chemically different from classical Cepheids, being mostly metal-poor, Population II stars.
RR Lyraes have proven difficult to observe in external galaxies, because of their intrinsic faintness. (In fact, Walter Baade's failure to find them in the Andromeda galaxy led him to suspect that the galaxy was much farther away than predicted, and to re-consider the calibration of Cepheid variables and to propose stellar populations.) They were finally found in the 1980s by Pritchet & van den Bergh in the halo of the Andromeda galaxy, and more recently in its globular clusters by the Hubble Space Telescope.
The RR Lyrae stars are conventionally divided into three main types[1], following a classification of S.I. Bailey based on the shape of the stars' brighness curve:
* RRab — the majority, with steep rise in brightness (about 91%)
* RRc — having shorter periods, more sinusoidal variation (about 9%).
* RRd — rare double-mode pulsators.[/quote]
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