Chris Peterson wrote:keshlam wrote:I've been told that the local tribes object to that name for the hill, and would prefer that it be referred to as Bear Lodge. Since hearing that, I have tried to comply -- they _were_ here first, after all. I know, I know, fewer people would recognize it by that name... but I think a bit of a cultural educational effort might have been in order along with the discussion of its origin.
Its origin is in geological processes dating back 200 million years or more- far, far longer than there were any people to call it by any name.
Erosion has "recently" revealed a 65 million year old granite intrusion sitting upon 200 million year red sandstone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Tower_National_Monument wrote:
<<The oldest rocks visible in Devils Tower National Monument were laid down in a shallow sea during the Triassic period, 225 to 195 million years ago. This dark red sandstone and maroon siltstone, interbedded with shale, can be seen along the Belle Fourche River.
About 65 million years ago, during the Tertiary period, the Rocky Mountains and the Black Hills were uplifted. Magma rose through the crust, intruding into the existing sedimentary rock layers.>>
<<Over millions of years, the surrounding and overlying rock eroded away, leaving
[Devil’s Tower] standing 386 meters (
15,200 inches) above the Belle Fourche River.>>
http://www.nps.gov/badl/faqs.htm wrote:
Badlands National Park is located in the White River Badlands and was called
mako sica (mako, land and sica, bad) by the Sioux Indians. The term badlands generally refers to an area that is difficult to travel through primarily because of the rugged terrain and lack of water.
The fascinating landscape within the park erodes at a rate of about 1 inch per year, providing an ever-changing landscape.>>
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Chris Peterson wrote:In the last few hundred years, a half dozen Indian tribes had a half dozen different names for it. That's fine. In my cultural tradition, and apparently the photographer's, it's called "Devil's Tower". It is the prerogative of the photographer to give his work any title he wishes. (APOD is about astronomical images, not cultural education. Should the various asterisms seen in the image also be given alternate, and less familiar, names?)
<<The
Lakota were originally referred to as the
Dakota when they lived by the great lakes, however, because of European settlement they were pushed away from the great lakes region and later called themselves the Lakota which became part of the Sioux. After their adoption of the horse, their society centered on the buffalo hunt with the horse.>>
I would hope that
a wise Lakota Decoder with the richness of his experiences would more often
than not reach a better solution than a white male officer who hasn’t lived that life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Tower_National_Monument wrote:
<<
Devils Tower (Lakota: Mato Tipila, which means “Bear Tower”).
The name Devil's Tower originated in 1875 during an expedition led by Col. Richard Irving Dodge
when his interpreter misinterpreted the name to mean Bad God's Tower ("Malo" = "Bad" in Spanish).
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http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/lakota.htm wrote:
<<Among the Lakota, there are many interesting myths and legends which are used to explicate their ideas about the cosmos, as is the case among many cultures. According to mythographer James LaPointe, "the ancient Lakota wise men said that all heavenly bodies exert influences upon life on Earth, and the destinies of individual life are at all times under the spell of the sun, moon, and stars." LaPointe also suggests, "... they imparted their knowledge to posterity through oral narratives and object lessons. One star cluster was called Pa yamini pa, 'a monster with three heads.' "
The Lakota have one fascinating myth which tells a great deal about their astronomical beliefs. According to this legend, Fallen Star, a supernatural hero, was the son of the North Star and a Lakota woman. (Interestingly, in Western mythography, the morning star or "Lucifer" is known as the "fallen star" or "the bright star cast out of heaven.") Fallen Star was said to be a member of the Maghpia Oyate or Cloud People and to be a special protector of the Lakota. His mother had lived with North Star in the clouds, but fell to Earth when she made the mistake of trying to dig up a plant growing in the cloud world - something she had been warned against. The North Star now broods in immobile solitude over the loss of his beloved Lakota maiden.
Tupun Shawin (the red-cheeked maid) was found by a group of boy hunters while she was lying unconscious after she had fallen from the cloud world. Her child was nursing from her "vigorously." The boys did not know if she was a cloud or spirit woman and so left her alone. But they did not want to abandon the helpless infant, so they brought it back to the village. The mysterious baby was named Fallen Star and given to a lonely, barren woman in the village. He matured very quickly, and became aware of a special destiny. He told others in the village that he was the child of a bright star in the heavens, and then told his adopted mother that he had to return to his father's place in the sky. He is said to be there now, watching over the Lakotas, his adoptive people.>>
Lakota people call the Milky Way Wanaghi Tachanku or "trail of the spirits." It was "the trail all Lakota people must take when fate overtakes them." (This is another interesting cross-cultural 'coincidence,' because among the Indians of South America, the Milky Way was also thought to be a "road of the dead" or "way of souls.") They claimed that at the point where the Milky Way splits, a divine Arbiter stood ... people who lived an immoral life were forced to head down the part of the Milky Way that ends in a nebula, tumbling through space forever. Those who lived a proper life took the other road to Wanaghiyata, the promised home of departed souls.
What is fascinating about this myth is that it ends this way, at least according to the translator: "Today, somewhere near the Trail of Spirits, known to others as the Milky Way, Fallen Star sends rays of hope for his earth people." (LaPointe, 1976.) This suggests Fallen Star might be one of the stars found near the Milky Way. Which one can't be determined from the story, but it could be the one of the ones in the Big Dipper. Based on the legend, it would have some special relationship to the Pole Star. This would be an interesting topic for further investigations.>>
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http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=38904 wrote:
<<Although Mars is quite different from Earth in many ways—smaller, colder, drier, and hostile to life—in some respects the two worlds are quite similar. Volcanoes shaped the surface of both planets, and a distinctive feature of volcanism was recently found on the surface of Mars. Columnar jointing is a pattern of cracking in rocks that forms slender columns, typically six-sided. Jointing occurs when lava or magma comes into contact with a cool, flat surface. After the lava solidifies, it cools and shrinks, causing cracks to form perpendicular to the cool surface. In lava flows, cooling progresses from the top down (where the flow is in contact with air or water), forming regular columns.
These images show examples of columnar jointing on Mars (top) and Earth (below) at the exact same scale. The top image shows layers of solidified lava flows exposed on the rim of a 16-kilometer-diamter crater in the Marte Vallis region on Mars. This image from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment HiRISE instrument aboard NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the first columnar joints positively identified on a planet other than Earth.
Columns between 30–40 meters (100–130 feet) tall and about 2 meters (6.6 feet) wide comprise the lowest of the visible layers in the Mars image. (The exposed columns run from lower left to upper right in this image.) Beneath the columns, talus (eroded debris) slopes towards the crater floor. The crater rim is visible in the lower right corner. The Sun is lighting the scene from the lower left.
Jointed columns occur around the entire circumference of the crater, indicating that the lava flows cover a huge area: at least 200 square kilometers (77 square miles). The widespread lava flows stacked on top of one another appear similar to the terrestrial flood basalts of the Columbia River Basin in Idaho, Oregon, and Washington, where instances of columnar jointing are common. It is likely that runny lava from a distant source formed layers of basalt in Marte Vallis, and they were uncovered when an asteroid punched through the Martian surface.
Devil’s Tower (lower image) is one of the most famous examples of columnar jointing on Earth. Although the process—directional cooling and cracking—that formed the columns in Marte Vallis is similar at Devil’s Tower, the setting and source of molten rock are quite different. Devil’s Tower formed from a bubble of molten rock that rose up into layers of sedimentary rock in eastern Wyoming, but never broke through to the surface. Over millions of years, the surrounding and overlying rock eroded away, leaving the hard columns standing 386 meters (1,267 feet) above the Belle Fourche River. The summit of Devil’s Tower is flat and almost featureless. Large blocks of rock from collapsed columns bury the base of the tower in steep talus slopes. Trees cover the debris farther from the tower’s base. In this aerial photograph, sunlight comes from the lower right, which creates a long shadow pointing towards the upper left.>>
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[quote="Chris Peterson"][quote="keshlam"]I've been told that the local tribes object to that name for the hill, and would prefer that it be referred to as Bear Lodge. Since hearing that, I have tried to comply -- they _were_ here first, after all. I know, I know, fewer people would recognize it by that name... but I think a bit of a cultural educational effort might have been in order along with the discussion of its origin.[/quote]
Its origin is in geological processes dating back 200 million years or more- far, far longer than there were any people to call it by any name.[/quote]
Erosion has "recently" revealed a 65 million year old granite intrusion sitting upon 200 million year red sandstone:
[quote=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Tower_National_Monument"]
<<The oldest rocks visible in Devils Tower National Monument were laid down in a shallow sea during the Triassic period, 225 to 195 million years ago. This dark red sandstone and maroon siltstone, interbedded with shale, can be seen along the Belle Fourche River. [b]About 65 million years ago, during the Tertiary period, the Rocky Mountains and the Black Hills were uplifted. Magma rose through the crust, intruding into the existing sedimentary rock layers.[/b]>>[/quote]<<Over millions of years, the surrounding and overlying rock eroded away, leaving
[Devil’s Tower] standing 386 meters ([b]15,200 inches[/b]) above the Belle Fourche River.>>
[quote=" http://www.nps.gov/badl/faqs.htm"]
Badlands National Park is located in the White River Badlands and was called [color=#0040FF][b]mako sica (mako, land and sica, bad)[/b][/color] by the Sioux Indians. The term badlands generally refers to an area that is difficult to travel through primarily because of the rugged terrain and lack of water.
[b]The fascinating landscape within the park erodes at a rate of about 1 inch per year[/b], providing an ever-changing landscape.>>[/quote]------------------------------------------------------------------------
[quote="Chris Peterson"]In the last few hundred years, a half dozen Indian tribes had a half dozen different names for it. That's fine. In my cultural tradition, and apparently the photographer's, it's called "Devil's Tower". It is the prerogative of the photographer to give his work any title he wishes. (APOD is about astronomical images, not cultural education. Should the various asterisms seen in the image also be given alternate, and less familiar, names?)[/quote]
<<The [b]Lakota[/b] were originally referred to as the [b]Dakota[/b] when they lived by the great lakes, however, because of European settlement they were pushed away from the great lakes region and later called themselves the Lakota which became part of the Sioux. After their adoption of the horse, their society centered on the buffalo hunt with the horse.>>
I would hope that [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGiKyK7mfsc][b]a wise Lakota Decoder[/b][/url] with the richness of his experiences would more often
than not reach a better solution than a white male officer who hasn’t lived that life. :wink:
[quote=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Tower_National_Monument"]
<<[b]Devils Tower (Lakota: [color=#0040FF]Mato Tipila[/color], which means “[color=#0040FF]Bear Tower[/color]”).
The name Devil's Tower originated in 1875 during an expedition led by Col. Richard Irving Dodge
when his interpreter misinterpreted the name to mean Bad God's Tower ([color=#0040FF]"Malo" = "Bad"[/color] in Spanish).[/b][/quote]-----------------------------------------------
[quote=" http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/lakota.htm"]
<<Among the Lakota, there are many interesting myths and legends which are used to explicate their ideas about the cosmos, as is the case among many cultures. According to mythographer James LaPointe, "the ancient Lakota wise men said that all heavenly bodies exert influences upon life on Earth, and the destinies of individual life are at all times under the spell of the sun, moon, and stars." LaPointe also suggests, "... they imparted their knowledge to posterity through oral narratives and object lessons. One star cluster was called Pa yamini pa, 'a monster with three heads.' "
The Lakota have one fascinating myth which tells a great deal about their astronomical beliefs. According to this legend, Fallen Star, a supernatural hero, was the son of the North Star and a Lakota woman. (Interestingly, in Western mythography, the morning star or "Lucifer" is known as the "fallen star" or "the bright star cast out of heaven.") Fallen Star was said to be a member of the Maghpia Oyate or Cloud People and to be a special protector of the Lakota. His mother had lived with North Star in the clouds, but fell to Earth when she made the mistake of trying to dig up a plant growing in the cloud world - something she had been warned against. The North Star now broods in immobile solitude over the loss of his beloved Lakota maiden.
Tupun Shawin (the red-cheeked maid) was found by a group of boy hunters while she was lying unconscious after she had fallen from the cloud world. Her child was nursing from her "vigorously." The boys did not know if she was a cloud or spirit woman and so left her alone. But they did not want to abandon the helpless infant, so they brought it back to the village. The mysterious baby was named Fallen Star and given to a lonely, barren woman in the village. He matured very quickly, and became aware of a special destiny. He told others in the village that he was the child of a bright star in the heavens, and then told his adopted mother that he had to return to his father's place in the sky. He is said to be there now, watching over the Lakotas, his adoptive people.>>
[b]Lakota people call the Milky Way Wanaghi Tachanku or "trail of the spirits."[/b] It was "the trail all Lakota people must take when fate overtakes them." (This is another interesting cross-cultural 'coincidence,' because among the Indians of South America, the Milky Way was also thought to be a "road of the dead" or "way of souls.") They claimed that at the point where the Milky Way splits, a divine Arbiter stood ... people who lived an immoral life were forced to head down the part of the Milky Way that ends in a nebula, tumbling through space forever. Those who lived a proper life took the other road to Wanaghiyata, the promised home of departed souls.
What is fascinating about this myth is that it ends this way, at least according to the translator: "Today, somewhere near the Trail of Spirits, known to others as the Milky Way, Fallen Star sends rays of hope for his earth people." (LaPointe, 1976.) This suggests Fallen Star might be one of the stars found near the Milky Way. Which one can't be determined from the story, but it could be the one of the ones in the Big Dipper. Based on the legend, it would have some special relationship to the Pole Star. This would be an interesting topic for further investigations.>>[/quote]
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[quote=" http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=38904"]
<<Although Mars is quite different from Earth in many ways—smaller, colder, drier, and hostile to life—in some respects the two worlds are quite similar. Volcanoes shaped the surface of both planets, and a distinctive feature of volcanism was recently found on the surface of Mars. Columnar jointing is a pattern of cracking in rocks that forms slender columns, typically six-sided. Jointing occurs when lava or magma comes into contact with a cool, flat surface. After the lava solidifies, it cools and shrinks, causing cracks to form perpendicular to the cool surface. In lava flows, cooling progresses from the top down (where the flow is in contact with air or water), forming regular columns.
These images show examples of columnar jointing on Mars (top) and Earth (below) at the exact same scale. The top image shows layers of solidified lava flows exposed on the rim of a 16-kilometer-diamter crater in the Marte Vallis region on Mars. This image from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment HiRISE instrument aboard NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter shows the first columnar joints positively identified on a planet other than Earth.
Columns between 30–40 meters (100–130 feet) tall and about 2 meters (6.6 feet) wide comprise the lowest of the visible layers in the Mars image. (The exposed columns run from lower left to upper right in this image.) Beneath the columns, talus (eroded debris) slopes towards the crater floor. The crater rim is visible in the lower right corner. The Sun is lighting the scene from the lower left.
Jointed columns occur around the entire circumference of the crater, indicating that the lava flows cover a huge area: at least 200 square kilometers (77 square miles). The widespread lava flows stacked on top of one another appear similar to the terrestrial flood basalts of the Columbia River Basin in Idaho, Oregon, and Washington, where instances of columnar jointing are common. It is likely that runny lava from a distant source formed layers of basalt in Marte Vallis, and they were uncovered when an asteroid punched through the Martian surface.
Devil’s Tower (lower image) is one of the most famous examples of columnar jointing on Earth. Although the process—directional cooling and cracking—that formed the columns in Marte Vallis is similar at Devil’s Tower, the setting and source of molten rock are quite different. Devil’s Tower formed from a bubble of molten rock that rose up into layers of sedimentary rock in eastern Wyoming, but never broke through to the surface. Over millions of years, the surrounding and overlying rock eroded away, leaving the hard columns standing 386 meters (1,267 feet) above the Belle Fourche River. The summit of Devil’s Tower is flat and almost featureless. Large blocks of rock from collapsed columns bury the base of the tower in steep talus slopes. Trees cover the debris farther from the tower’s base. In this aerial photograph, sunlight comes from the lower right, which creates a long shadow pointing towards the upper left.>>[/quote]
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