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Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:06 pm

My Pam .. Anderson you know .. the blonde with the big brain. None other. I'm kind of involved with Paris Hilton on the side though. Keep that between you and I, Alfred. Yes .. you do have an intrinsic value.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by neufer » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:19 pm

aristarchusinexile wrote:He better leave my Pam alone!
Fill me in on the HLAS, sounds like they can use another me on a steed down there.
Who's "your Pam"...the bike?

Fill me in on the HLAS: http://www.shakespeare.handshake.de/

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:41 pm

neufer wrote:
astrolabe wrote:
neufer wrote:however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
Honestly, DARC Energy??
Image
astrolabe wrote:I sometimes wonder if you're able to stop yourself but then again......
clever if I do say so myself. So if you've got it- flaunt it. :)
Thanks, astro; and NO I can't control it (as folks at HLAS would tell you.)

HLAS also had it's own version of aristarchusinexile at HLAS;
he liked to talk about being a neighbor of P.A.M. Dirac's down in Florida.
He better leave my Pam alone! Fill me in on the HLAS, sounds like they can use another me on a steed down there.
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Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:38 pm

astrolabe wrote:P.S. WRT the Great Library at Alexendria I would give my eye teeth to be able to read The History Of The World Vol. I, II and III.
Astro .. I would like to read a real history of the world too rather than all these books written in 1984.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:33 pm

neufer wrote:NGC 604 is a very disturbing image IMO that sort of reminds me of the face of a vampire bat (and/or of Gary Oldman in his role...
Bystander wrote:Ok, I can see it, after you point it out.
Uh, you guys need to get out in the fresh air and daylight more often .. (I won't suggest a walk in the Draculaness of night, but whatever you do, stay together!)

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:29 pm

lakeside wrote:We should be so excited and pleased that a course in Astronomy is available to all.

I would like to see some real data when it can be understood by scientists other than astronomers.
Lakeside, I would like to see some real astronomers who can understand data .. they would certainly recognize my bubble expansion theory as the real thing.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:23 pm

neufer wrote:
bystander wrote:
aristarchusinexile wrote:Neufer, you're generally so careful with your posts. However, the photo is of ' D R A C ' not ' D I R A C '
(I hope you will share my smile, as I shared yours).
Actually, the picture is of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), which really has very little to do with Vlad Dracula, aka Vlad the Impaler. It has even less to do with the APOD and I find myself wondering, What's the point? :?
NGC 604 is a very disturbing image IMO that sort of reminds me of the face of a vampire bat (and/or of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)). In order that the thread not to drift to far away from astronomy, however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
[b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler#Dark_Prince:_The_True_Story_of_Dracula [/b] wrote: The 2000 movie _Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula_ filmed on location in Hungary and starring Rudolf Martin, attempts to portray Vlad the Impaler as a generally sympathetic, tragic figure.>>
Ah, the Dirac Prince of Drac Energy .. Hey, speaking of Darc things, did you know Ravens and Crows are afraid of heights? That's why when they're standing in trees they look down and say, 'Ack! Ack!' (I paraphrased instead of quoting because sometimes they vary their speech to suit the listener, but their words always carry the same meaning ..
'Ack! Ack!)

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by astrolabe » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:31 am

P.S. WRT the Great Library at Alexendria I would give my eye teeth to be able to read The History Of The World Vol. I, II and III.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by astrolabe » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:17 am

Hello neufer,

Thanks for the link. Boy did they ever hit the nail on the head! BTW, great photo- gotta lose the tie though.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by neufer » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:35 am

astrolabe wrote:
neufer wrote:however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
Honestly, DARC Energy??
Image
astrolabe wrote:I sometimes wonder if you're able to stop yourself but then again......
clever if I do say so myself. So if you've got it- flaunt it. :)
Thanks, astro; and NO I can't control it (as folks at HLAS would tell you.)

HLAS also had it's own version of aristarchusinexile at HLAS;
he liked to talk about being a neighbor of P.A.M. Dirac's down in Florida.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by astrolabe » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:11 pm

Hey neuf!
neufer wrote:however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
Honestly, DARC Energy?? I sometimes wonder if you're able to stop yourself but then again......clever if I do say so myself. So if you've got it- flaunt it. :)

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by neufer » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:44 pm

bystander wrote:
neufer wrote:NGC 604 is a very disturbing image IMO that sort of reminds me of the face of a vampire bat (and/or of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)). In order that the thread not to drift to far away from astronomy, however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
Ok, I can see it, after you point it out. In the annotated picture, the part in the hair is approximately where the upper part of the backward J is, and the head is leaning slightly to the right (our left).
Bram Stoker » Dracula » Chapter 19 wrote:<<Once I got a fright, for, seeing Lord Godalming suddenly turn and look out of the vaulted door into the dark passage beyond, I looked too, and for an instant my heart stood still. Somewhere, looking out from the shadow, I seemed to see the high lights of the Count's evil face, the ridge of the nose, the red eyes, the red lips, the awful pallor. It was only for a moment, for, as Lord Godalming said, "I thought I saw a face, but it was only the shadows," and resumed his inquiry, I turned my lamp in the direction, and stepped into the passage. There was no sign of anyone, and as there were no corners, no doors, no aperture of any kind, but only the solid walls of the passage, there could be no hiding place even for him. I took it that fear had helped imagination, and said nothing. A few minutes later I saw Morris step suddenly back from a corner, which he was examining. We all followed his movements with our eyes, for undoubtedly some nervousness was growing on us, and we saw a whole mass of phosphorescence, which twinkled like STARs. We all instinctively drew back. The whole place was becoming alive with RATS.>>

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by lakeside » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:33 pm

We should be so excited and pleased that a course in Astronomy is available to all.

I would like to see some real data when it can be understood by scientists other than astronomers. For example, much is done with X-ray images, a feat that I would have thought to be impossible a couple of decades ago, but there are no x-ray spectra shown by which, I assume, the compositions of the emitting gasses can be determined. Some years ago an X-ray image of Venus was shown but no mention that the atmosphere of Venus could, presumably, be analyzed by X-Ray fluorescence methods. Of course, your audience may begin to disappear without the pretty pictures but combination images may be possible so to teach a little science in the process.

Jack White
Albany OR

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by bystander » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:44 pm

neufer wrote:NGC 604 is a very disturbing image IMO that sort of reminds me of the face of a vampire bat (and/or of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)). In order that the thread not to drift to far away from astronomy, however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
Ok, I can see it, after you point it out. In the annotated picture, the part in the hair is approximately where the upper part of the backward J is, and the head is leaning slightly to the right (our left).

Vlad is much more associated with the film than he was in the original novel. But there is an excellent novel that ties Vlad the Impaler with the vampire legends. It's called The Historian.
wiki wrote:The Historian is a 2005 novel by Elizabeth Kostova about a quest, reaching through the past five centuries, for the historical Vlad the Impaler. ...

While nominally a modern re-telling of the Dracula story, The Historian delves deeply into the nature of history and its relevance to today's world, as well as serving as a cautionary tale on the historical antagonism between Western Civilization and Islam.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by neufer » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:14 pm

bystander wrote:
aristarchusinexile wrote:Neufer, you're generally so careful with your posts. However, the photo is of ' D R A C ' not ' D I R A C '
(I hope you will share my smile, as I shared yours).
Actually, the picture is of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), which really has very little to do with Vlad Dracula, aka Vlad the Impaler. It has even less to do with the APOD and I find myself wondering, What's the point? :?
NGC 604 is a very disturbing image IMO that sort of reminds me of the face of a vampire bat (and/or of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)). In order that the thread not to drift to far away from astronomy, however, I expanded ' DRAC ' into ' DIRAC ' whose modifications on general relativity might be consistent with observed DARC Energy expansion.
[b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler#Dark_Prince:_The_True_Story_of_Dracula [/b] wrote: The 2000 movie _Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula_ filmed on location in Hungary and starring Rudolf Martin, attempts to portray Vlad the Impaler as a generally sympathetic, tragic figure.>>

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by bystander » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:49 pm

aristarchusinexile wrote:Bystander, was the pun intended?
I suppose not, considering I don't know what you are talking about.

Ok, I see the pun (point, impaler), but it was unintentional. I just don't understand the point Art was making when he posted the picture. I'm sure there is one, I just don't get it.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:32 pm

bystander wrote:
aristarchusinexile wrote:Neufer, you're generally so careful with your posts. However, the photo is of ' D R A C ' not ' D I R A C ' (I hope you will share my smile, as I shared yours).
Actually, the picture is of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), which really has very little to do with Vlad Dracula, aka Vlad the Impaler. It has even less to do with the APOD and I find myself wondering, What's the point? :?
Bystander, was the pun intended?

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by bystander » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:23 pm

aristarchusinexile wrote:Neufer, you're generally so careful with your posts. However, the photo is of ' D R A C ' not ' D I R A C ' (I hope you will share my smile, as I shared yours).
Actually, the picture is of Gary Oldman in his role in Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), which really has very little to do with Vlad Dracula, aka Vlad the Impaler. It has even less to do with the APOD and I find myself wondering, What's the point? :?

Re: Todays image of the large stalrl forming region

by aristarchusinexile » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:38 pm

lakeside wrote:We see all these wonderful images and the explanations of them but very little is said about where all this mass came from. The big bang theory, which appears to me to be just another creation theory rejiggered for scientists, does not explain anything, but it gets us off the hook for a real explanation. Something happened that resulted in all that mass concentrated in a relatively small volume of space as in Galaxies, Did a black hole implode? This possibility, of course, only steps us back another cycle and does not explain the origin of the mass either. Perhaps the mass has always been there and has no origin or explanation. Are we just projecting our birth and death on the universe as we formerly did with the solar system. Any comments?

Jack White
Albany OR
Pascual Jordan - "A star could be made out of nothing at all, because at the point of '0' volume its negative gravitational energy would precisely cancel out is positive mass energy'. Jordan, a contemporary of Einstein, but not widely published in our era because, supposedly, of his membership in the Nazi party. However, we have all heard of Wernher Von Braun.

Re: NGC 604: a Rosse by any other name

by aristarchusinexile » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:34 pm

neufer wrote:NGC 604: a Rosse by any other name:
Image
Drawing of M33, the Triangulum spiral galaxy, created by R.J. Mitchell
on the ground of observations by William Parsons, the Third Earl of Rosse.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080913.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061123.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060914.html
Spinning in an area of low density DM IMO.

Re: NGC 604: Giant Stellar Nursery Xrays (2009 Feb 05)

by aristarchusinexile » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:33 pm

neufer wrote:
aristarchusinexile wrote:My Dad's family were neighbours to Drac
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Dirac large numbers hypothesis

<<The Dirac large numbers hypothesis (LNH) refers to an observation made by Paul Dirac in 1937 relating ratios of size scales in the Universe to that of force scales. The ratios constitute very large, dimensionless numbers: some 40 orders of magnitude in the present cosmological epoch. According to Dirac's hypothesis, the apparent equivalence of these ratios might not be a mere coincidence but instead could imply a cosmology with these unusual features:

* The strength of gravity, as represented by the gravitational constant, is inversely proportional to the age of the universe: G = A/t
* The mass of the universe is proportional to the square of the universe's age: M = B* t^2.


Neither of these two features has gained acceptance in mainstream physics and, though some proponents of non-standard cosmologies refer to Dirac's cosmology as a foundational basis for their own ideas and studies, some physicists harshly dismiss the large numbers in LNH as mere coincidences more suited to numerology than physics. A coincidence, however, may be defined optimally as 'an event that provides support for an alternative to a currently favoured causal theory, but not necessarily enough support to accept that alternative in light of its low prior probability.' Research into LNH, or the large number 'coincidences' that underpin it, appears to have gained new impetus from failures in standard cosmology to account for anomalies such as the recent, very surprising discovery that the universe might be expanding at an accelerated rate.>>
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Dirac cosmology and the acceleration of the contemporary universe
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v1 ... 057a0.html
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u634j75280359611/
Neufer, you're generally so careful with your posts. However, the photo is of ' D R A C ' not ' D I R A C ' (I hope you will share my smile, as I shared yours).

Yes .. coincidences of numbers are not coincidences.

NGC 604: a Rosse by any other name

by neufer » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:07 pm

NGC 604: a Rosse by any other name:
Image
Drawing of M33, the Triangulum spiral galaxy, created by R.J. Mitchell
on the ground of observations by William Parsons, the Third Earl of Rosse.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080913.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061123.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060914.html

Re: Todays image of the large stalrl forming region

by Chris Peterson » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:36 am

lakeside wrote:We see all these wonderful images and the explanations of them but very little is said about where all this mass came from. The big bang theory, which appears to me to be just another creation theory rejiggered for scientists, does not explain anything, but it gets us off the hook for a real explanation. Something happened that resulted in all that mass concentrated in a relatively small volume of space as in Galaxies, Did a black hole implode? This possibility, of course, only steps us back another cycle and does not explain the origin of the mass either. Perhaps the mass has always been there and has no origin or explanation. Are we just projecting our birth and death on the universe as we formerly did with the solar system. Any comments?
The BB theory does a very good job of explaining our observations of the Universe, and has proved quite predictive as well. Scientifically, the origin of the BB is currently beyond our ability to analyze, and it's very possible it will always remain so. It's a part of human nature to ask "why?", but that doesn't mean everything has an answer- at least, not a scientific one. That doesn't, however, make the BB theory any less strong.

Re: Todays image of the large stalrl forming region

by lakeside » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:27 am

My apologies for the typo, don,t know how that happened!

JW

Todays image of the large stalrl forming region

by lakeside » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:20 am

We see all these wonderful images and the explanations of them but very little is said about where all this mass came from. The big bang theory, which appears to me to be just another creation theory rejiggered for scientists, does not explain anything, but it gets us off the hook for a real explanation. Something happened that resulted in all that mass concentrated in a relatively small volume of space as in Galaxies, Did a black hole implode? This possibility, of course, only steps us back another cycle and does not explain the origin of the mass either. Perhaps the mass has always been there and has no origin or explanation. Are we just projecting our birth and death on the universe as we formerly did with the solar system. Any comments?

Jack White
Albany OR

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